Pre-existing conditions, ratings and exclusions

by Karoli on December 17, 2009 · 16 comments

in News, Patients

There seems to be a lack of understanding about the difference between the terms exclusion and rating for pre-existing conditions. So let’s clear it up.

Pre-existing conditions in today’s terms

  • Insurers may deny individual coverage based upon any pre-existing condition, and not only coverage for the condition itself, but anything they deem to be related to that condition that arises later on.
  • If person has been uninsured for more than 6 months and is hired by an employer with group health insurance, the employer’s insurer may exclude that person’s pre-existing condition from coverage for as much as a year.
  • Once that 12-month waiting period is satisfied (and again, this only applies to group health insurance plans provided by an employer) the insurer will cover the condition, but also ‘rate‘ the policy; that is, charge the employer more than the standard rate for all employees because some employees have a pre-existing condition.

Right now, today, insurance is not available to anyone with a pre-existing condition at all, unless they are hired by an employer, wait 12 months, and their employer isn’t priced out of the market altogether by a pre-existing condition.

Pre-existing conditions if health care reform passes

  • No individual may be denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition, whether in the individual market or group markets.
  • Insurers will have the right to charge 1.5 times the basic rate to smokers and up to 3 times the basic rate for age.

This is the change: There is no exclusion for a pre-existing condition. The insurer is limited as to the amount that can be charged for the policy overall to a multiple of the basic rate.

Wait, I thought the President said pre-existing conditions would be gone with health care reform?

This seems to be the disconnect. There appears to be some objection to the idea of rating higher-risk insureds, and that is being blended into a message that pre-existing conditions are still an issue in the Senate reform bill.

Not so much. There are two ways to approach the cost to cover everyone without regard to their health or lifestyle. The first is to take the whole pool, spread out all the costs and divvy it up equally without regard to age, health, or lifestyle. A single payer system would do it this way. The problem with that approach if you’re a 20-something is that you might not be all that thrilled to be paying for the costs of those 50-somethings in the pool.

The second approach is to “rate” the pool according to some objective criteria. Cover everyone, but charge more to groups that represent higher risk to the group as a whole. This is how the Senate bill approached the issue of costs.

Discrimination is an access issue, not a cost issue

Shutting the door in someone’s face and telling them they need not apply because they were sick once is discrimination. Opening the door and welcoming them in with a higher ticket price is not discrimination when the ticket cost represents their share of the cost of maintaining the pool.

It’s false to suggest, as some have, that ratings represent discrimination. For individuals with pre-existing conditions, it is a question of whether they put everything they have at risk, including their health, because they cannot afford to get decent health care on their own. Opening the door and allowing them to get something they cannot have right now ends discriminatory access.

Costs are a different question. We first have to establish that we value sick people at least as much as well ones. Then we can look at costs and whether ratings make sense or not.

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  • kcindc

    I'm not sure about that. If I have a restaurant, and I charge twice as much for black people as I do for whites, most people would call that discrimination. As I understand it, the companies won't be able to charge higher premiums for women after reform, right? That's eliminating discrimination, even though women do have higher health care costs. Why is it not the same for preexisting conditions?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/francine.hardaway Francine Hardaway

    One thing that bothers me about this entire debate is that no one wants to pay for health care, but everyone wants the Cadillac plan. When you are 50 and you can't afford to buy a policy, but you ARE more likely to get sick, there are two solutions: a subsidy, or an assumption that people of 50 are most likely to be in their highest earning years and no subsidy, or an exclusion. I don't mind people charging me more if I am older. Or if I smoke.

  • tymlee

    As far as the increased premiums for people with pre-existing conditions, I see that you have only listed two such conditions – smoking and age – which have mandated ceilings on premiums. I realize that you have, duly, pointed out that our first priority should be to establish whether or not “we value sick people at least as much as well ones”. Although I agree with the necessity of this most fundamental exercise, the very quest, itself, reveals a dichotomy. There can only be two answers to the question you pose – yes or no. If the answer is no then, tangentially, the question of whether premiums should be a function of the individual's health becomes mute since cost would be a derivative of their place on our value scale. If, however, the answer is yes then we find ourselves caught between a rock and a hard place since the very declaration that ill people are valued equally to healthy ones must lead us, inexorably, through simple, deductive reasoning, to conclude that their costs should also be equal value.

  • tymlee

    On the question of discrimination I disagree with you to some extent. But first it is important to understand that “pre-existing condition” and “ill person” are not necessarily synonymous. Many so-called pre-existing conditions do not result in ongoing and present illnesses. For the sake of brevity though let us momentarily assume they are one and the same.

    If our putative starting point is that ill people should pay a higher premium, the application of that premium will inevitably result in discrimination. A person with a pre-existing condition will end up paying much more than a person without such a “condition” for any medical care that is entirely unrelated to their pre-existing condition due to the imposition of a blanket higher premium. For example the averaged out cost of a healthy person's visit to the family doctor for a regular check up will be much lower than that of a person with a pre-existing condition.

    Unfortunately, no matter which path is chosen to ultimately achieve coverage for everyone, discrimination of one sort or another will be a necessary evil. Whether it is through imposition of higher premiums on those with pre-existing conditions or alternately higher premiums/taxes on the wealthier segment of the population, each method can be construed to have some immanent form of discrimination.

  • tymlee

    One last little anal comment. I intended to use the word “moot” in my first comment not “mute” as is posted – damned spell-checker. Sorry.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Smoking is a lifestyle choice, not a condition. Age is, well, age. It's pretty clear that if you are 20 and I'm 51 and we both buy into the pool, the probability is that I will need to use more care $$$ than you. That's more or less insurance reality. What's more important to see is what happens right now. As Senator Kerry noted in today's debate, the spread is around 15:1 on average and can be as high as 25:1. So…that's a pretty significant drop, from 15:1 to 3:1 or if the House version were adopted, 2:1.

    But neither of those is a pre-existing condition. As it stands today, not only can one be excluded for pre-existing conditions, they can also be dropped for a minor condition that the insurer decides is a precursor to a not as-yet developed but possibly might, condition. This is what I mean by discriminatory. Eliminating ANY selection criteria based on pre-existing is eliminating discriminatory access to risk management tools.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    I agree, Francine. It's risk management 101. This was always the theory behind life insurance. So the saleman goes…If you insure your children or buy insurance when you're young, you pay less because … you're young. If you do it when you're older, you pay more. The only place the theory breaks down is on people like me, who paid into the system when they were younger, and paid faithfully for 50 years, only to be denied it now that I do need it more.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    smoking and age are not pre-existing conditions. Depression and cancer are.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    “If our putative starting point is that ill people should pay a higher premium, the application of that premium will inevitably result in discrimination.”

    Agreed, which is why the only two factors for premium adjustments are NOT for pre-existing conditions. They are for higher risk factors: age and lifestyle choice. We can argue about whether smoking should be there without its first cousin, obesity, but neither are pre-existing conditions. Lung cancer is a pre-existing condition, assuming a remission. Cataracts are a pre-existing condition. Insureds can be turned away at the door for those, never putting a foot in or even offered the right to pay more for peace of mind. That's the basic difference.

  • kcindc

    That makes sense, but I don't understand why you're writing about smoking and age under the heading “Pre-existing conditions if health care reform passes”. It's very unclear what point you're trying to make.

    If it's the case that no one can be denied coverage or charged more for a preexisting condition, then why not just say that preexisting conditions don't exist as a concept after reform?

    I gather you're bringing in smoking and age because somebody somewhere is mixing them in with preexisting conditions, but the way you've done it you yourself seem to be confusing the issue, so it's hard to understand what point you're making.

    So as I understand it now, the last part, about how charging people more money isn't discrimination (which I still don't buy) has nothing to do with preexisting conditions.

  • tymlee

    Although I am not so certain that smoking is purely a lifestyle choice as opposed to an addiction, which is usually described as being a disease in most medical journals, I have to argue vehemently that age is more than just age. It is hell I tell you…pure hell and, as such, is a condition. Age is not meant for the meek. Ha!

  • amdi

    Has anyone seen the private carriers step to the plate and make any of these things happen on their own? Reduce premiums? Eliminate the pre- existing condition? Not rate up people 200 t0 300% of the rate for the same age person?The answer to that is no! They will not do this until its mandated. What will happen sooner more than later is the private Companies are pricing people out of the market. The number of uninsured people will get worse. It is no longer a problem for the poor and non working. Price is becoming a real issuie with the middle class. Who can continue to pay 1500 to 2000 a month for insurance. Not every one makes more than $100,000 a year in salary!

  • amdi

    I would be interested in knowing if those that oppose reform have actaully ever paid out of thier own pocket for the health insurance they have. Many of these people have no idea how much it realy cost out there if you have to take it out of your own pocket. We get to pay not only for our own coverage out of our own pocket but we also get to pay for the House, Senate etc. health care out of the taxes we also pay. Let those boys pay out of pocket for what they get and see how fast the reform get going

  • amdi

    Has anyone seen the private carriers step to the plate and make any of these things happen on their own? Reduce premiums? Eliminate the pre- existing condition? Not rate up people 200 t0 300% of the rate for the same age person?The answer to that is no! They will not do this until its mandated. What will happen sooner more than later is the private Companies are pricing people out of the market. The number of uninsured people will get worse. It is no longer a problem for the poor and non working. Price is becoming a real issuie with the middle class. Who can continue to pay 1500 to 2000 a month for insurance. Not every one makes more than $100,000 a year in salary!

  • amdi

    I would be interested in knowing if those that oppose reform have actaully ever paid out of thier own pocket for the health insurance they have. Many of these people have no idea how much it realy cost out there if you have to take it out of your own pocket. We get to pay not only for our own coverage out of our own pocket but we also get to pay for the House, Senate etc. health care out of the taxes we also pay. Let those boys pay out of pocket for what they get and see how fast the reform get going

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